22 thoughts on “Dada Mail, a Great Free Email List Management Software”

  1. Good review. Thank you!

    1. Thanks Arkadi, hope this post helped you make a decision about email newsletter management software. If you went with DadaMail or another email program.

  2. Really Good Comparison on all the 3 open-source email providers

  3. I’ve been using DaDa Pro for several years with great success (just discovered the stats area… spectacular!) and Justin is great with customer service. I would definitely like to see WP integration. Possibly the issue is the perl / php issue?

    1. Thanks for the input. What sort of list have you been using Dada Mail Pro for years on? Is it a news blog, personal website, or company newsletter?

      In terms of WordPress integration it would be easier if it was written in PHP. There is plenty of software that is not written in PHP which integrates with WordPress seamlessly though. So it is totally doable. I know awhile ago Justin was working on an API so outside developers could more easily integrate 3rd party software with DadaMail. I’d also like to see MyBB and phpBB integration as well.

      If WordPress integration with DadaMail is something you want I’d highly encourage you to post about it in the support forums and personally let Justin know. I’m sure a lot of others would like to see it too.

      If you have any tips for running a newsletter on DadaMail, I would be happy to to hear advice and tips. 🙂

      1. Ha ha… maybe I oversold myself…. Up until now over the last 6-7 years we’ve only sent out about 5 messages, but that’s ramping up to quarterly (working on our third one of the present incarnation currently). So… it’s often like I’m logging on for the first time each time. What I find ‘successful’ is being able to send out good-looking messages without much re-learning aggravation. Intuitive and great online support.

        I am working on a new WordPress version of our small business site (resiliencycenter.com) and was able to cut and paste the current static Subscribe html into a WP page and so far, so good with the sign up — I’ll just have to go back to the DaDa template pages and make some CSS changes to better reflect the new WP design. I might also try to figure out how to send folks back to a WP page upon successful completion of whatever (subscribe / unsubscribe / etc.). I can work with it for now, though I will submit a request for full WP integration to the DaDa boards soon.

        My biggest tip is to pre-compse your HTML in a third party editor (I use the good old Mac standby shareware PageSpinner) and cut and paste it into the message. I keep my html VERY basic with no css, tables or such. I limit my images to 2 or 3. I always put a “view this email in your browser” link at the top and recreate the email as a page at our Joomla site that I use as a depository for our newsletter.

        1. Oh, so you are not sending that many emails and newsletters with DadaMail. By quarterly I assume you mean every 3 months? In my opinion it would be ideal to send out a newsletter at least once a month. Seems like 3 months people would forget and might hit mark the newsletters as spam.

          If that works for you though and you haven’t had spam issues I guess you should stick with it. DadaMail seems ideal for those that don’t send out emails that often.

          In the end it is better for to go with a paid solution like Aweber or GetResponse if you want to get setup easily. Also from what I’ve read deliver ability rates will be higher. Not all sites I’ve built or participated in running it makes sense to pay for an email newsletter each month though. Some sites just don’t make money and they are run for the benefit of a community.

          I checked out your email registration form and signed-up for the newsletter. I was impressed with how you integrated with your logo in.

          You should check out the HomeSchoolMom’s email newsletters, since I can’t believe she does those with DadaMail. They are really professional looking HTML templates, they look fantastic, and they work on mobile devices as well. If she made a course for using DadaMail I’d sign-up for it. I do wish Justin had some better tutorial videos.

          I mainly feel like DadaMail is a bit too much work even for someone like me who knows basic CSS and HTML. I spent a lot of time trying to configure certain things and it just wasn’t coming out right. There are other open source solutions like phpList.

          http://adamyamada.com/phplist-free-email-manager/

          I also did a round-up of other newsletter managers. The only other I’d recommend is OpenEMM.

          http://adamyamada.com/6-free-email-list-management-software/

          Appreciate the tip about using an external HTML editor. I’ll probably do that for future mailing lists.

          1. Yes, every 3 months. It’s a part-time mostly volunteer effort at this time. The Resiliency Center was created by my uncle and since his passing in 2009, my aunt and I have been trying to maintain and eventually grow the organization, but we have basically no funding and aren’t able to spend huge amounts of time on it as we both have other jobs (mine’s web design, but volunteer for her). We also have a few contributors, but it’s hard to generate enough quality content every three months as it is! I’m a cheap DIY’er, too, so, I pretty much rule out most paid services, especially, like you say, when it’s not really cost effective. As we grow, I will reevaluate. Plus, I really like the fact we’re in control of our own data. I will check out the HomeschoolMom site.

            I don’t seem to have too many spam issues, but really don’t know!

            I do agree that DaDa is a bit of work to set up and customize to start with, but once that’s done, it runs well. I too pretty much know just basic css & html, but have learned to be good at searching google to find out how to make a change I need, plus using Firebug and other browser-based web developer tools and plugins eventually gets me to the solution of most issues.

          2. I like to DIY some web stuff as well but there is a time/cost savings benefit and ease-of-use factor when you pay an email newsletter company. They know how to run email severs and setting up certain things is just less of a hassle. I’m glad DadaMail works for your needs at the Resiliency Center though.

            I agree I would prefer to keep independent control and access to all the data related to my sites and subscriber lists. For some maybe that is worth it.

            I’d recommend you keep up with phpList developments. It seems like they are working to make it more robust software and improve usability for average users.

  4. Thank you for posting this! I purchased BlueHost for my website (I’m pretty sure they are also related to HostGator.) I noticed that a One-Click Install version of Dada was included with my hosting, but I wasn’t sure if I should try it or not. The podcasting world seems to think MailChimp is the be-all end-all of email marketing, but it sounds like I should give Dada a try. I also like that if I hit over 1,000, it would be a one-time fee to own the licensing and (if I understand correctly) have an unlimited number of subscribers.

    Thanks again for your review. It was help.

    1. Personally I don’t like MailChimp but that might just be a personal preference. Have you looked into MailerLite Jenn? Better pricing and an easier-to-use interface in my opinion. I’m going to switch to them soon once my other email plan is up.

      DadaMail and phpList are the best options regarding open source email newsletter managers. They are both actively maintained and have an active support community. Here are some other options but not sure I’d recommend them.

      http://adamyamada.com/6-free-email-list-management-software/

      You can have as many subscribers with Pro DadaMail license as you want but keep in mind BlueHost has a limit for the amount of emails you can send out per hour. I don’t know what the limit is but you should look it up. If the list get too large the downside going with this self-hosted route is that email deliverability can be an issue. There are a lot of people that run fairly large lists using DadaMail and it does allow you to send out emails in batches over periods of time.

      Hostgator and Bluehost are owned by the same company, Endurance International Group. If you go searching you can read more about them.

      http://adamyamada.com/hostgator-down-along-with-other-eig-hosts-causes-web-hysteria/

      Do you do podcasting Jenn? What’s your podcast about?

  5. I have been using self-hosted ActiveCampaign for many years, it was called 12All when I began using it, and it handles my 30,000 emails a week requirement very well, but it is overpriced – I was quoted $750 recently for an in-version upgrade (5.x to 5.y) with a year’s support, and this is not an option available to most people, as AC has moved to an SaaS model, and will only supply self-hosted versions to those who already hold licences for the self-hosted product. In the 10 years or so that I have used AC, I have only used their support once, so paying $500+ per annum for this is a bit expensive. I worked out their pricing for the SaaS version and it would cost me almost $300/month.

    I’m an open-source fan, and AC was never really open-source, as it uses a matrixer/activation component which gets in the way of heavy-duty modding. But it does have a ridiculously large feature set, including simulated mail previews in different clients and spam-evaluation tools and an extensive API. But I’m working with non-profit organisations and have no interest in tracking clicks or many of AC’s marketing-friendly features, so I decided to jump ship.

    My first port of call was PHPMailer, as I can code PHP if I have to, but accessibility (ease of use for those with visual, physical or cognitive disabilities) is very important to my clients, and I was appalled by PHPMailer’s poor accessibility, and its forms were like something from the Dark Ages where accessibility is concerned. So I had a look at its code with a view to improving this aspect, and was shocked by the varying standards of coding involved, with some being to a very high standard, but other parts being completely amateurish, and I’m also disheartened by the changes happening within PHP itself, between versions 5.3-5.6, where improvements being made to PHP’s security are breaking many older applications, so I decided to look further afield.

    Then I discovered Dada Mail, and while I’ve never been much good at programming in Perl, it is a very mature language that has outlived many that have come and gone, and it dealt with most of its security issues many years ago, and Perl apps that I’ve used have served me very well to date and been very reliable. When I saw the pricing for Pro Dada I paid for a lifetime licence straight away, before I even installed it – it cost me less than a tenth of what AC were looking to charge me for a 1-year licence, though I think that the price went up marginally recently.

    I got it up and running myself, though this is not a job for amateurs, and many low to mid price hosting packages would be unsuitable for it, but the Dada site provides a list of suitable hosting companies. Anyhow, I run my own hardware. I would suggest that people who intend to use Dada Mail pay for the installation process unless they rate their Unix/Linux skills at something better than good – installing Dada Mail is not for beginners, but the paid-for installation is very reasonably priced.

    Dada Mail is nowhere near AC in terms of its feature set, but it had all of the features that I needed, and more, but there were one or two issues with my installation, and as my Perl skills are limited, I contacted Justin, the ‘Lead Dadaist’ and offered to pay for some swift support. Within a couple of days all of my problems were solved and I was presented with a bill for $50 for Justin’s services, which I guess is the best value that I have ever seen for pro-grade support by a package’s author. So between my lifetime licence and my paid support, I still would have had plenty of change left over from $150!

    Dada Mail does have a restful API, and I intend to hire Justin’s services again later in the year to integrate Dada Mail subscription to multiple lists (in one operation) into a Drupal web site, as I know that he’ll do a decent job of it and won’t rip me off. I could probably do it myself if I had to, but it actually works out far more cost-effective for me to use his services!

    So my advice to those looking at Dada Mail is: if you’re looking for a slick email marketing application then look elsewhere, but if you want a rock-solid broadcast mailer without too many frills, with an author who will tailor it for your requirements at crazily affordable prices, then it could be just what you want… it’s really designed as a ‘back-end’ product to be hidden behind the scenes, and yes, it does produce web-forms that meet most accessibility guidelines, though without ARIA support to date. I have tested it at sending rates of up to 10,000 mails per hour (non-personalised mails), and it does have features like link-tracking and bounce management, though only the latter is of interest to me.

    All I can say is that if it Dada Mail meets, or comes close to meeting your requirements, you will get an exact match for what you need if you’re willing to dip your hand into your pocket and pay a paltry sum for paid support, and there’s also a support forum for those who haven’t got any money. And because it’s written in Perl rather than PHP, I don’t have to worry too much about it being hacked, as most hackers tend to leave Perl applications alone in my experience (I’ve been running web servers since the late ’90s).

    Finally, Justin has tailored recent versions of Dada Mail to work with Amazon’s SES email service, so if you’re not a spammer and you want to send out 10,000+ mails per week, then you could do an EC2/SES based solution for a fraction of the cost of using the SaaS bulk mail providers, and Justin will set it all up for you for a pittance. Do the math and you will fall off your seat!

    Thanks Adam for getting the word out – I can’t believe that Dada Mail has been so overlooked for so long… maybe it’s something to do with the name. My company used to resell a mail server product by a UK company called “FloozieTech’ at one stage, and while it was a perfectly adequate product, we were forced to drop it as the brand was a bit of a tough sell!

    1. You clearly are very experienced with handling email and quite large emails lists. I appreciate you sharing your insights here about DadaMail Conor.

      Actually installation of DadaMail and DadaMail Pro isn’t the issue. It’s styling it and integrating it with other platforms and making it look pretty. That’s a real PIA and I found it too time consuming and difficult. I ended up going with one of the big three email newsletter providers to make my life easier. Integration with other platforms and services is important as I don’t want to have to hire a developer every time I need an email list hooked into another service.

      DadaMail is great if you are familiar with configuring Linux servers and know how to work with HTML and CSS elements easily. Most people they are looking for an easier solution though.

      Isn’t AmazonSES overkill in most situations? You could just use an SMTP provider like Mandrill, ElasticEmail, etc.

      Like I’ve said before I’d like to see integration with WordPress but I believe Justin has stated in the forums and the developer list that is not going to happen. Unsure why, as it’s the most popular content management system and would ensure DadaMail’s longevity in my opinion. What are your thoughts Conor?

      Yeah, perhaps the name isn’t a great name for branding but hey I’m not expert. I doubt Justin is interested in changing the name of DadaMail though.

      So you’ve found for ActiveLink.ie and other client sites DadaMail works well for the large email lists you need to handle?

      1. Hi, Justin of Dada Mail here,

        Concerning styling Dada Mail. Recent versions have, “Magic” templates, where all you have to do is give it a webpage URL to base the design off of, and a css selector (id, or class) to let Dada Mail know where to place the content, and you’re good to go! (this is all done in the web-based installer) No need to fiddle around with additional template, learning Dada Mail’s own templating language, nothing like that.

        I’m unclear when people ask for “integration w/Wordpress”. If you just want Dada Mail to blend into your website using a theme from WordPress, Magic Templates are the way to go. My PHP skillz aren’t currently up to the task to make a plugin for WordPress (the plugin architecture also looks a complete mess), but again, I’m not sure what you’d gain. Both of the projects are very large and very mature.

        Amazon SES w/Dada Mail is awesome – I use it myself. It’s cheap, the deliverability is great, works well with the included Bounce Handler and beats the pants off say, a shared hosts mail server and all of the headaches that come with it.

        1. Appreciate you coming here and commenting Justin.

          Didn’t realize you had a Magic templating system. I don’t really have a need for Dadamail right now but in the future I’ll take a look. People are always asking about good email newsletter software and email service providers.

          With regards to WordPress integration I think most are looking for a more seamless user experience. I know I’d like to be able to drop in email sign-up forms into posts and have pop-ups.

          Have you seen MailPoet? Something along the lines of MailPoet would be awesome. I would do the integration myself but my php skills are not great either. You mean the WordPress plugin architecture is a mess? If so, why do so many people develop WordPress plugins? 🙂

          Amazon SES does seem great. I guess I just don’t feel like I want to spends hours trying to mess with Amazon Web Services. From what I’ve read it’s hard to configure for someone who isn’t a Linux guru. Seems like a lot of people use a VPS or dedicated server? Do most people use Amazon SES with DadaMail?

          1. > With regards to WordPress integration I think most > are looking for a more seamless user experience. I
            > know I’d like to be able to drop in email sign-up
            > forms into posts and have pop-ups.

            There’s a jQuery plugin for Dada Mail, that’ll do that for you,

            http://dadamailproject.com/d/COOKBOOK-subscriptions.pod.html#jQuery-Plugin

            All the code that you need is created by Dada Mail, just copy, paste and you’re done. There’s no real “Integration” into WordPress needed, it doesn’t touch anything w/Wordpress. You get the subscription form that pops up a modal window, with the results of the info you just submitted.

            The Magic User Templates are also pretty fun, and work well w/Wordpress. I’ve written up a new doc on how they work:

            http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-magic_user_templates.pod.html

            Again, it’s platform agnostic, so it’ll work on WordPress, Drupal, a static website – anything, really. Since it’s been released, I’ve worked with it on many WordPress Sites who also use Dada Mail. I have clients that have their site running on Squarespace as well, but also have a subdomain running just Dada Mail on a cheap webhost like Bluehost. They can integrate Dada Mail into that and they keep the branding the same. When they make an update to their main site’s design though Square Space, Dada Mail’s layout changes as well. It’s wonderful.

            > Have you seen MailPoet?

            Not really. But looking at their pricing, what they offer for $400/year, I offer for $90 *forever* – I’ve offered never-ending subscriptions to the premium product for almost 6 years now. And what do you do w/Mail Poet, if you decide to move away from WordPress?

            >You mean the WordPress plugin architecture is a
            > mess? If so, why do so many people develop
            > WordPress plugins?

            I think lots of people develop WordPress plugins, *despite* it being a mess. I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that WordPress’s underlying code is anything but simply just horrible and plugin quality can be hit or miss. The reason why people develop for WP is market share. Designers set up a WordPress site for a client, and to the client WP is the website, simply. If it doesn’t fit that ecosystem, it doesn’t make sense. That’s understandable, and another reason to develop for WP – just to be inside that environment.

            For me, personally, unless I’m using something that WordPress brings to the table, I don’t see a reason to shove Dada Mail into a WP Plugin. If others would like to, that’s totally fine – I would suggest using Dada Mail’s RESTful API to work with Dada Mail through that – there’s a language difference, as WP is PHP and Dada Mail is Perl, so an API would be highly beneficial. That way, you could leverage something WP is good at – say: content creation, then send that message you’ve created via WP.

            That should be very compelling, to a WP Plugin developer, especially since the example code makes it very easy to see what needs to be done.

            http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-restful_web_services.pod.html

            You’d be able to compete w/Mail Poet in a matter of weeks of development time, as all the heavy lifting has already been done – Dada Mail has been worked on for 15 years(!).

            > Amazon SES does seem great. I guess I just don’t feel
            > like I want to spends hours trying to mess with
            > Amazon Web Services.

            It’s something I charge about an hour’s time for. It’s not incredibly difficult. The hardest thing is realizing how many things Amazon AWS presents as services, and how many of those things need to be ignored to work with *just* Amazon SES. Compared to setting up your own mail server (and then administrating it), it’s totally worth it.

            > From what I’ve read it’s hard to configure for
            > someone who isn’t a Linux guru.

            I mean, I’m an art school graduate. There’s no command line experience needed, so I don’t think you need to be a guru to work with it. The integration w/Dada Mail is very simple – there’s a public and private key given to you by Amazon SES and you paste those into Dada Mail during an installation and you’re done.

            > Seems like a lot of people use a VPS or dedicated
            > server? Do most people use Amazon SES with
            > DadaMail?

            Most people using Dada Mail use a cheap cPanel based shared hosting account that costs < $10/month. VPS is def. not needed, but Dada Mail will scale to whatever you need to, as it has Plack/PSGI support (http://plackperl.org/). When you tie that together with Amazon SES which costs $0.10 per thousand email messages sent, it's a very, very inexpensive way to set up a mailing list manager.

            Good stuff.

          2. Thanks for the tip Justin. I’ll have to look into the jQuery pluging you have for Dadamail. Is that new because I don’t think I saw that was possible before?

            So I could run DadaMail on a subdomain on another server and still send out email newsletters using the same domain name? By this I mean that I install DadaMail on a subdomain for this site but I still send out emails using @adamyamada.com. Is that what your clients running SquareSpace do? If yes, how do I set this up?

            I see a lot of developers complain about how terrible WordPress is and complain about the code. They say it’s “just a blogging platform”, refuse to work on it and sing the praises of Joomla or Drupal. Then a few months later their entire business has moved to WordPress development because the most common questions they get asked is, “Can you move this site to WordPress?” 🙂 Drupal designers here this all the time. Actually the way Drupal and WordPress themes are built are sort of similar, but there are differences. I’ve seen a few of these people move their own sites to WordPress even. They know where the development money is these days and what’s best for publishing.

            I’ve worked with a lot of different content management systems and while there are things I don’t like about WordPress, there really is no competition in terms of ease-of-use and options. Other CMS platforms still haven’t figured out simple updates and sometimes things I think should be straightforward take too much time to work out. For example, getting SEO friendly URLs in Joomla. Why would you ever move away from WP?

            I guess I just assumed setting up Amazon SES (Simple Email Service) was a bit complicated but it sounds like something I can manage. At least from what you are saying here but if I want your help Justin I’ll definitely reach out to you. It’s great to know you can help get Amazon SES setup with DadaMail.

            With regards to using a VPS or dedicated server I was thinking using it for hosting, storing the data and sending emails. From what you are saying it’s more cost effective to just use Amazon SES.

            Ahh, art school! No wonder DadaMail is so much simpler to use and has a better interface than so many other email newsletters programs I’ve used. Surprised nobody has poached has poached you to work on their own system.

            I know you have some video tutorials up but are you planning on making more detailed ones Justin? It would probably help me and others use DadaMail features more readily and better showcase the features it has.

            I’ve always thought the DadaMail pricing structure was fair and I wrote about on my website so that people would know it’s a good option. Again, appreciate your commenting and sharing more information about DadaMail.

  6. I should begin by mentioning that I meant PHPList when I said PHPMailer above.

    Dada Mail is not pretty, but it’s not intended to be, it’s more of a backroom product as far as I can see. It has an utility for making forms that you can embed into just about anything, and I also mentioned its API above.

    It all depends on how you intend to use it, I just wanted a broadcast mailer for sending out weekly web-site digests, and I’m not using any of the account/password features, which would be tough to style. I needed double opt-in, bounce handling, rate limiting (while I can send mails out as fast as I wish, email providers prefer it if I don’t wallop their servers too hard).

    I’m currently just using one of Justin’s forms, barely disguised, but when I have some current projects out of the way I’ll be integrating it into my main site properly.

    As regards SES, you could pay for an EC2 micro or small reserved instance server, whack a FreeBSD server onto it from Daemonology.net (you’ll get more bang from a micro or small instance with BSD than with Linux), and so long as you don’t let your cloudy server fill up with log files, use Dada Mail to take subscriptions and send out mails. The ‘burstiness’ feature of the T2 instances is perfectly suited to such an application, where your server is just idling along most of the time handling subs and unsubs, and then will have built up plenty of CPU credits when bulk-mailing time arrives.

    Yes, you have to be a technical type to do the above, but you would be SHOCKED if you work out the total costs involved, so long as you use reserved T2 server instances. And SES costs 10 cents per 1,000 mails, there are no ‘starter’ prices.
    I’m talking about a complete mail-broadcast solution here, server, software and relay service. What’s more, anyone who wants to see how it would work out can try Amazon’s free tier for a year and they won’t have to pay a cent, just avoid using anything with X or PHP… hehe, we’re talking command-line only here, and you’ll be amazed what you can do with a new-style T2 Micro Instance!

    But I agree totally that this is not a solution for bloggers and their ilk who are more interested in getting their message out on the ‘net as easily as possible, but it’s perfect for people like myself who enjoy playing about with technology and can use it to avoid paying the $300 a month or so that I would have to shell out to use an SaaS solution like MailChimp or ActiveCampaign for my requirements.

    I have an advantage in that I have managed to establish a Cisco Senderbase ‘good’ rating for my own mail servers, which makes a big difference to my ability to send out bulk mail – this is not easily achieved these days and should be considered by anyone considering a DIY approach to bulk-mailing.

    With respect to Justin’s lack of interest in getting involved in providing solutions for WordPress or Drupal integration, he’s a Perl programmer and I don’t think that he has much interest in supporting PHP-based applications, but I’m fairly sure that he would take on any paid integration work that was requested of him, and my main reason for posting here was to let it be known that I was completely gob-smacked by the affordability of his services, which is refreshing considering what I’m accustomed to, and no, I’m not a shill!

    I would happily sponsor a Drupal Dada Mail interface module, but I’m not in a position to provide support for one, and having communicated with Justin, while I know that he’d like to see someone do this, he’s not interested in supporting it… he just wants to work on making Dada Mail better as far as I can make out, and he doesn’t seem interested in setting up a corporate entity. He’s just a good guy with a good product who appears to be more interested in programming than making a fortune, and good luck to him say I!

    1. That’s actually what I like about DadaMail Conor. It’s a simple interface without the fuss of some of these other email service providers. Sometimes I think to myself, “Why do I need so many options and menus? I just want to sent a basic newsletter!” Clients I’ve work with in the past express the exact same frustration and confusion with email marketing. I believe this is why more people do not utilize email for their websites, it’s extremely time consuming and not simple. It definitely can get expensive too depending on the list size.

      I guess theoretically you can embed the DadaMail email sign-up into anything but I found it won’t look good useless you do a lot of work. I got frustrated with it and just gave up trying to style it.

      Thanks for the suggestions and info on handling email servers. Amazon Web Services pricing structure is hard to beat for hosting of any type. I mean 10 cents per 1,000 emails, how can you beat that? I guess I’ve always been hesitant to use it myself sine you really need to know what you are doing with server administration. I could probably figure out how to use the Linux command line for doing ever single task on the server, I guess I just don’t trust myself to do that. 🙂

      In the past I’ve had issues with clients that were on Amazon Web Services and I had someone move them to regular hosting (ie Linux server with cpanel). Typically the IT person who originally handled setting everything up left and it made more sense for them to be on regular hosting. They could contact support if there was an issue more readily and didn’t need to worry about site infrastructure being handled by one person.

      I’ve been in discussion with Anna, who is the community manager with PhpList, and they are working hard upgrading the entire phpList platform. Phplist.com is now for their commercial email service provider offering where you can use Phplist to send emails out. Phplist.org is now the hub for the open source project, forum, documentation, traslation, and support community. TinCan, the parent company to Phplist, is really working hard on making the platform more open to newcomers in addition to those looking for support. They’ve also redesigned a lot of features to my understanding. I’d give phpList as second look Conor.

      Ugh, Drupal! You know what the most common question Drupal developers get asked from clients these days is? “Can you switch my site to WordPress?” 🙂 Perhaps there is set of people that would like Drupal integration with DadaMail but I thoroughly dislike Drupal and the entire ecosystem around it. I’d much rather see WordPress integration. Besides most developers for Drupal I know of or people who love it have migrated to WordPress. They also moved the development and design business entirely to catering to clients that have WordPress sites. They were turning to many clients away not to.

      The popular thing most webmasters do these days seems to be using MailPoet, a WP mail plugin, and then using a bulk mailing service. Like Amazon SES, Mandrill, etc.

      Do you have any recommendations for software for building HTML templates Conor? I’ve been asked a few times about this and have seen MailStyler but I haven’t bought a license. I’d like to find something where that is good for drag and drop, then I can just import it into whatever email service provider I use.

      I’m someone who doesn’t mind getting technical when I need to but with email I guess I just don’t feel I want to spend the time messing with it. I still honestly do not think there is a good open source solution or paid solution that I’ve come across for someone just looking for something simple.

    2. Although I wouldn’t be interested in creating a Drupal/Wordpress/Whatever plugin that works with Dada Mail, I’d be most interested in working on developing the already-existing RESTful API that Dada Mail has, to make ,a Drupal/Wordpress/Whatever plugin dead simple to create.

      All the plugin would have to do would be to interact with that API, and interacting w/APIs should be something any plugin developer should be pretty good at doing these days. You’d basically be just creating an interface for your user to enter information in, then sending it to Dada Mail. The heavy lifting has already been done.

      Honestly, it’s a huge opportunity for someone to take advantage of and I’d def. be willing to collaborate with a team to make Dada Mail’s API work even better.

      1. Have you thought of doing a crowdfunding campaign to raise the money to be able to get a team together for doing a RESTful API?

        http://adamyamada.com/9-tips-for-running-a-successful-kickstarter-campaign/

        That would probably be a good plan Justin. Seems like the DadaMail community is quite loyal and I bet people wouldn’t mind pitching in extra money to get better integration with other platforms and content management systems. Ok, really we are talking WordPress! I’m also fairly sure there is some WordPress developer that uses DadaMail already that probably could do code the plugin. Has any developer approached you about it?

        Who wants a Drupal plugin? It’s horrible! 🙂

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